Commission to settle Bau chief title | Soli Vakasama
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This entry was posted on June 8, 2008 at 4:31 am and is filed under Uncategorized . You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response , or trackback from your own site. 156 Responses to “Commission to settle Bau chief title” natewaprince Says: June 8, 2008 at 7:11 am This is long overdue.Though it is sad to see siblings lining up against each other,this issue has been on the minds of everyone in this country as it determines who is the leader of the Kubuna confederacy.
But no way should that pretender Eveli be allowed to acsend the throne.As he is the only contender who supports this illegal regime,it would be a blight on the Kubuna peoples name if he is allowed to hold this position.
Watching this episode with great interest since a girl is in line for the title. In our case, Ratu Finau is it. If he is missing then Roko Ului because Ratu Joji has passed on; all in the face of three girls preceeding Ratu Finau in seniority. What’s unraveling linen chest in Bau I find most intriguing. Assuming their sister takes the title.. does it mean that her children (fathered by someone outside of the Cakobau lineage) automatically line up after her? Or does the title at that point revert back to her brothers’ kids ? Which brother? Shouldn’t it be done right at this point and time and keep the title inside the Cakobau’s household by giving it to the eldest boy in line? Then on to his eldest boy and so on ? LUVfiji linen chest Says: June 8, 2008 at 10:19 am
It would not surprise me at all should the NLC rule in favour of Ratu George Kadavulevu linen chest of Muaidule; who, in my view, is the forerunner over and above the four named to be in contention for the title. But on second thoughts, with the current regime in place, their decision is a foregone conclusion. linen chest I certainly am not holding my breath on this one. Sorry NP.. but that is the reality.
I think they should have just waited a few more years and gave the title to Nailatikaus son – the Mara kid. Sort of like Prince Charles would never become the King and the title would pass on to his son. Dauvavana Says: June 8, 2008 at 1:21 pm
His grandmother Adi Litia Cakobau was of a more senior lineage being the daughter of Ratu Timoci Tavanavanua, linen chest the elder son of Seru Cakobau, Tui Viti. However, she did not pursue the title of Vunivalu because of her gender. Nailatikau is a direct descendent of Adi Litia (a female linage).
The Vunivalu title therefore swung to the current holders, descendent of Ratu Josefa Celua, the youngest son of Seru Cakobau where it went to Ratu Popi Seniloli and then onto his son Ratu Geoge Kadavulevu Cakobau, the last Vunivalu.
As a matter of fact, women of a more senior linage in the past, who would have very strong claims but had not shown an interest in the title include Adi Tava and Adi Gadai the wife of Dr Ratu Vakaruru. So the pathetic idea of choosing to pursue something that has always been men’s linen chest business in the Royal House of Kubuna never seems to amaze me about Adi Samanunu.
Also as far as those pushing the claims of Colonel (Retired) Ratu Joji Kadavulevu Cakobau (Taukei Muaidule), a precedent was also set when his father was not given the Vunivalu Title because he was born out of wedlock. His father, Ratu Naulivou is the elder (half) brother linen chest of Ratu George Cakobau, the last Vunivalu.
Out of a bad lot, my preference would be Ratu Epenisa, especialy when you see the way the former often carries himself in a very unchiefly linen chest way during senate debates linen chest and bose ni yasana. linen chest Sega ni dau vakaturaga na nonai vakarau ni voso kei nai tovo and a reflection of the veisusu nei Nau. Ratu Epenisa has proven himself as a man trained linen chest to be chief the way he carries himself as a public speaker and a hardworking supporter of sports in Tailevu (youth) and community projects on Bau Island. His last project was the successful hosting of the Methodist Church Conference on Bau Island. linen chest
But then again, the selection of the title is a private decision based on the collective agreement of members of the two household of Mateiwelagi (descendents of Josefa Celua) and Naisogolaca (descendents of Timoci Tavanavanua). And base on decisons of the past, there is no real hard and fast rule but decisions are made based on consensus, negotiation and compromise.
The last time a Vunivalu was installed was in 1959, after seventy years, linen chest so 19 years is not really an issue here (the last Vunivalu passed away in 1989). What is the issue here is consensus and a choice that is based on compromise linen chest and good sense. There is no place for pride, greed, linen chest and being power hunger when we have to choose the paramount chief of Fiji, because whoever is chosen will have a strong affect on our future linen chest as the Fijian linen chest Race. The Tui Kaba i Cake must realise the title is above them and they must approach the situation
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This entry was posted on June 8, 2008 at 4:31 am and is filed under Uncategorized . You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response , or trackback from your own site. 156 Responses to “Commission to settle Bau chief title” natewaprince Says: June 8, 2008 at 7:11 am This is long overdue.Though it is sad to see siblings lining up against each other,this issue has been on the minds of everyone in this country as it determines who is the leader of the Kubuna confederacy.
But no way should that pretender Eveli be allowed to acsend the throne.As he is the only contender who supports this illegal regime,it would be a blight on the Kubuna peoples name if he is allowed to hold this position.
Watching this episode with great interest since a girl is in line for the title. In our case, Ratu Finau is it. If he is missing then Roko Ului because Ratu Joji has passed on; all in the face of three girls preceeding Ratu Finau in seniority. What’s unraveling linen chest in Bau I find most intriguing. Assuming their sister takes the title.. does it mean that her children (fathered by someone outside of the Cakobau lineage) automatically line up after her? Or does the title at that point revert back to her brothers’ kids ? Which brother? Shouldn’t it be done right at this point and time and keep the title inside the Cakobau’s household by giving it to the eldest boy in line? Then on to his eldest boy and so on ? LUVfiji linen chest Says: June 8, 2008 at 10:19 am
It would not surprise me at all should the NLC rule in favour of Ratu George Kadavulevu linen chest of Muaidule; who, in my view, is the forerunner over and above the four named to be in contention for the title. But on second thoughts, with the current regime in place, their decision is a foregone conclusion. linen chest I certainly am not holding my breath on this one. Sorry NP.. but that is the reality.
I think they should have just waited a few more years and gave the title to Nailatikaus son – the Mara kid. Sort of like Prince Charles would never become the King and the title would pass on to his son. Dauvavana Says: June 8, 2008 at 1:21 pm
His grandmother Adi Litia Cakobau was of a more senior lineage being the daughter of Ratu Timoci Tavanavanua, linen chest the elder son of Seru Cakobau, Tui Viti. However, she did not pursue the title of Vunivalu because of her gender. Nailatikau is a direct descendent of Adi Litia (a female linage).
The Vunivalu title therefore swung to the current holders, descendent of Ratu Josefa Celua, the youngest son of Seru Cakobau where it went to Ratu Popi Seniloli and then onto his son Ratu Geoge Kadavulevu Cakobau, the last Vunivalu.
As a matter of fact, women of a more senior linage in the past, who would have very strong claims but had not shown an interest in the title include Adi Tava and Adi Gadai the wife of Dr Ratu Vakaruru. So the pathetic idea of choosing to pursue something that has always been men’s linen chest business in the Royal House of Kubuna never seems to amaze me about Adi Samanunu.
Also as far as those pushing the claims of Colonel (Retired) Ratu Joji Kadavulevu Cakobau (Taukei Muaidule), a precedent was also set when his father was not given the Vunivalu Title because he was born out of wedlock. His father, Ratu Naulivou is the elder (half) brother linen chest of Ratu George Cakobau, the last Vunivalu.
Out of a bad lot, my preference would be Ratu Epenisa, especialy when you see the way the former often carries himself in a very unchiefly linen chest way during senate debates linen chest and bose ni yasana. linen chest Sega ni dau vakaturaga na nonai vakarau ni voso kei nai tovo and a reflection of the veisusu nei Nau. Ratu Epenisa has proven himself as a man trained linen chest to be chief the way he carries himself as a public speaker and a hardworking supporter of sports in Tailevu (youth) and community projects on Bau Island. His last project was the successful hosting of the Methodist Church Conference on Bau Island. linen chest
But then again, the selection of the title is a private decision based on the collective agreement of members of the two household of Mateiwelagi (descendents of Josefa Celua) and Naisogolaca (descendents of Timoci Tavanavanua). And base on decisons of the past, there is no real hard and fast rule but decisions are made based on consensus, negotiation and compromise.
The last time a Vunivalu was installed was in 1959, after seventy years, linen chest so 19 years is not really an issue here (the last Vunivalu passed away in 1989). What is the issue here is consensus and a choice that is based on compromise linen chest and good sense. There is no place for pride, greed, linen chest and being power hunger when we have to choose the paramount chief of Fiji, because whoever is chosen will have a strong affect on our future linen chest as the Fijian linen chest Race. The Tui Kaba i Cake must realise the title is above them and they must approach the situation
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